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#15
  1. Please don’t mix navigation with routing
    See your own docu :wink: - Kurviger app can do offline navigation!

  2. In your screenshot I miss the “warning triangle” which should AFAIK appear if you are off route.
    So we are talking about an issue, not about missing offline routing.

  3. From my perspective it would be sufficient to have only one routing profile for a limited distance available in offline mode. Just enough to get you back to the route. No need for a full featured “curvy algorithm”.
    And yes easy to say hard to do.

Coming back to your screenshot.

Looks like a similar issue I have posted in the other thread
Have you tried to:
a) stop start navigation?
b) stop start Kurviger app?

Manfred

#16

Agree, but having a recalculated route is condition for an continued navigation, what exactly I did not have in this case. So indeed NAVIGATION was stopped.

Hmmm, that’s true - could be the case.
(But effect on the road is the same …)

Ecaxtly, that’s my suggestion - an “emergency offline fast route out of the nirvana”.

I am aware of this parallel topic - but HERE in my focus was (and is still) indeed the “emergency offline fast route out of the nirvana”.

a) Yes - did not help.
b) No, not in THIS case - was in a hurry, impatient car drivers following me and I could not stop to operate the device without traffic risk.

#17

Please everyone let’s keep discussion here strictly for offline routing.

Any other app cases should be better discussed in their own topics. :slightly_smiling_face:

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#18

How true. And you absolutely deserve RESPECT for that fact! :+1:

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#19

And we all (I hope) KNOW THAT!!!

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#20

for offline routing term, I understand your technical point of view. But on the "road’ as explained, all work done preparing a routing vanishes at the first pb. Unexpected road work, river out of bed, stones, accidents, etc… hundred of cases that sadly I had to stand even in Hungary, which is not the road of bones… If this function can’t be implemented, sorry to say that we can just make any twisty routing on a pc online and import gpx (directly or converted) in osmand, maps me magic earth, navigator, galileo, Locus, etc… Life is not a printed picture when on the way… I’m glad to have bought the pro version, even if this cheap amount will not help you pay taxes… But I don’t use no more Kurviger on smartphones and it makes me sad , because it could be just THE software ! I understand that a one person joib is nearly impossible mission, and more if all the software dvpmt and routines came in one direction which doesn’t allow a light offline routing algorythm inside smartphones. But I’m french so time to time, I come back asking hahahahaha “L’espoir meurt en dernier”

#21

So sehr ich mir auch ein Offline-Routing wünsche, verstehe ich nicht wie man komplett ohne nicht klar kommt mit der App.
Auch mir ist es schon öfters passiert das es eine Umleitung oder ähnliches gab, dann habe ich kurz an der Seite angehalten und mir selbst auf der Karte einen Weg gesucht…

Übersetzt mit DeepL:
As much as I would like to have an offline routing, I don’t understand how to completely get along with the app without it.
Also it happened to me already often that there was a detour or something similar, then I stopped briefly at the side and looked for myself on the map a way…

#22

Actually no need to convince me about any advantages of an offline solution.

After all I am the developer of Mapsforge + VTM offline vector map libraries!

Strange is how many prefer online maps in Kurviger, instead of offline ones… :confused:

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#23

Ich würde das Offline Routing auch sehr gut finden.
Da wir bei uns wo ich wohne so ein schlechtes Netz haben, kann ich von Zuhause außerhalb des W-Lan Empfang nicht mal eine Route berechnen lassen.
Auch wenn ich unterwegs bin ist mir das leider schon öffters vorgekommen. Z.B. auch in großen Teilen vom Schwarzwald gibt es kein Netz. Auch haben manche Unterkünfte kein W-Lan, so dass es unmöglich ist eine Route berechnen zu lassen. Leider haben wir in D einen schlechten Netzausbau und dazu kommen noch die ganzen Baustellen und Umleitungen. Auch im EU Ausland ist es mir schon oft vorgekommen.
Das soll allerdings nicht die super Arbeit und Leistung vom Kurviger Team schmälern. Ihr macht einen klasse Job :ok_hand::+1:
Dennoch wäre ein Offlinerouting für mich auch sehr wichtig. Das ist der einzige Grund warum ich noch Alternativapps nutze.

Gruß Oliver

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#24

not the same population. Offline is for travellers and more offroad or far countries . Offline is a necessity, as long as you travel out of weekend sor sunny european trips… And there’s still a market for it…Not big but we are a lot to be able to pay a good price for it ! ( not a licence, for same reasons). I’m using graphHooper to make around trip by Russia Georgia, Armenia, Turkey etc… Works well ( and the now 80 points lakes it easier), but lots of single trails can’t be defined, even if they are seen on the OSM … Still dreaming of a simple app where you just draw your routing on the map screen and it converts in GPX. So it’s up to you to go through a forest, cross a small river, then take a highway, etc… It will allow to be in/out of topo maps and general ones. Loading and working on small topo areas is not realistic… Because on the way, I will have changes, discover some places,etc…( same reason why online routing is not a “'real world” way) and how use topo areas for a 12000 km trip ? :wink:

#25

Seems pretty logic that people prefer online in kurviger, if I understand it… Offline just doesn’t work; sorry. Detour, roadworks, turns mistakes, all things happen, and even faster on bikes… If you don’t go back or join the already online planned itienrary, you 're f…d That’s exactly how I test and value gps prgs : Make a mistake , turn around and see how the prg catches up ! Some great prgds can act like shit in this case !! Especially , because of fast turns and direction changes of bikes :slight_smile: And don’t forget that 3g /4g is not free, and can be a big pb in lots fo countries when you are not living there and just have access to expensive solutions. If you get a sim card you try not to use it for routing , to preserve the expensive data use … g/4g is still crazy costly in Hungary where I live now , and if i go in turkey, I won’t be allowed to buy / use a TK sim card for more than 12 days ! Not enough to explore country…

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#26

Yes, I think we all agree that offline routing would be a nice addition to Kurviger :slight_smile:, and this is something we would all like to see in the future for Kurviger :+1:.

I stayed for quite a long time in countries with almost no internet coverage, where driving for 500 km without reception happens regularly, and traveled there with Kurviger. I can fully agree, that it would have been handy at times.

On the other hand offline routing has several serious issues and downsides, that need to be handled accordingly. It’s not a straight forward as one might think.

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#27

Free roaming man :smiley: don’t caaaaare anymore

Stick to the Alpes, man the Swiss have got it figured out so hard

#28

The available solution is described above (can test it) via offline routing graphs.

With its advantages (offline) and disadvantages (fastest routing, country graphs).
That’s the only possible implementation that can be integrated as-is relatively fast.

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Skip waypoint and recalculate Route Bug
#29

Did you ever drive through Rheinland-Pfalz? You can be lucky to find a drum to call up somebody… offline maps are very important, but offline routing is not that important… the app works very well already as it is…

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#30

Ich persönlich vermisse das Offlinrouting sehr, da bei uns eine sehr schlechte Netzabdeckung ist.
Fall 1: Treffpunkt mit Kollegen an einer Tankstelle im Wohnort. Besprechung welche Runde wir drehen wollen, Route planen mit Kurviger, aber keine Routenberechnung wegen schlechter Netzabdeckung möglich.

Fall 2: Wärend der Tour eine Pause machen und für eine andere Strecke Richtung Heimat entschieden. Schnell mit Kurviger eine Route geplant (ist ja genial mit Kurviger), aber leider keine Routenbetechnung möglich wegen wie so oft schlechtem Netz.

U.s.w.

Leider haben wir bei uns und auch in anderen Gegenden eine sehr sehr schlechte Netzabdeckung.
Für mich ist Kurviger die beste Motorradapp die ich kenne, und ich ziehe den Hut vor den Entwicklern und ihre Arbeit. Aber das Offlinerouting ist für mich leider leider der einzige Grund, daß ich zu oft eine Alternativapp nutzen muss.

Nun meine Frage: Ist für die Zukunft ein Offlinerouting für die Kurviger App geplant?

Gruß Oliver

#31

I have to confess that I share Oliver’s experiences and point of view.

#32

Ich fände es schon sehr hilfreich wenn ein Routing so lange aktiv bleibt bis entweder ein Netz erreichbar ist oder man den Routing Versuch abbricht.
So könnte man zumindest in einem Empfangsloch das Routing starten und einfach losfahren und darauf warten dass er irgendwann von der aktuellen Position anfängt zu berechnen.
Aktuell versucht er es eine kurze Zeit und bricht dann wenn fehlender Netzverbindung ab was du führt das man immer wieder stehen bleiben muss um es erneut zu versuchen.
Gruß Roland

#33

Siehe auch:

#34

Routes can only be calculated using server-data, which means you have to be online (advantage: it’s using special algorithms for different routing-modes like “curvy” etc.). Therefore it’s always essential to save/export your route after creating it.

While on tour, you always can reload/import this route and continue navigation (because navigating an existing route can be done offline, but without being able to re-calculate a new route). If I’m forced to drive a detour without having connection, I’m using the map view for getting back on tour (navigation will be continued automatically aftre re-entering the route). Kurviger’s different and configurable options (e.g. zoom level, tilting-modes, follow-mode and the direction indicator) are really helpful in such situations (better than any of the many other navigation solution I tested yet).

But if you’re really “busted” because of being forced to calculate a route while being on tour it would always be wise to have a fallback solution on your phone (I’m using Sygic for those cases, which is capable of offline routing - without special motorcycle options like curvy routes, of course).

have fun and ride save
Mario

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