Feature request: Route segment settings

Route planning
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Thanks a lot for the proposal. I fear that would lead to more problems of people being frustrated than helping people. The reason for this is because it’s hard/impossible to understand what happens without opening popups/tooltips, etc. to look at the settings.

This might not be an issue if you are just quickly plan a route and ride it. But if you plan your holiday ride over several weeks and 1000s of km, then it can become really complicated. Or if you share a route with someone else.

We do have a somewhat similar issue already with the avoidance factor and that you need to open the menu to see what values you did set for the factors (there is a different color on the button to show that it’s non default).

Yes I actually thought about something like this. This would also make the usage of profiles / leg easier. So this would be something like a grouping feature for waypoints. This could reduce UI complexity and therefore could justify that more complexity can be introduced (avoidances / group).

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Perhaps a compromise would be better: The option could be set profile-individual, so for example you can disable motorways for curvy mode and enable for fastest mode. Then segments with profile “fastest” can use motorway, curvy segments can not …

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Hi Robin

Is it possible to get the global route options also on a per segment basis? Particularly, its the avoid toll roads/motorways option, which IMO would also make sense to have per segment. For instance, I would like to use toll roads on some of the segments while avoiding them on others. When a segment is first created, global route options could be inherited on to the new segment and later be overridden if needed. Is this possible?

Cheers,
Tom

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See the answer above:

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I am not sure to fully understand. At least for the app there shouldn’t be a change in the UI, should there? All that happens is that new menu entries appear on the segment options menu. Or am I missing something here?

Cheers,
Tom

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This means changes to the user interface.

Also the algorithms, kurviger format, import / export, …, etc. would need many changes.
So it may seem simple from “outside”, but every core change requires work everywhere.

This requires careful planning and a step-by-step approach. We will see…

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Hello

I’m relavilely new here on the forum, started the free version a few years ago and just upgraded to the Tourer version.
I searched into the forum, but did not find an answer to my question below.
Is there no possibility to set a standard/default strenght of avoidance option for each route profile?
Eg: Fast = fastest, motorways and main roads preferred
Eg: Most curvy = most curvy, narrow roads preferred.
I tried to make a route with 1st part motorways and the 2nd part narrow roads, but each time I changed a preference/avoidance, the ‘other’ part of the route changes as well. I must say I found this a bit annoying and hoped this would’ve worked better. Any tips or new option for this possible or planned?
I want to avoid to have to make different routes and merge them in another program (why would I need Tourer then?).

Thanks in advance and best regards

woste

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hi

Thanks for the merging (I didn’t find this thread, sorry).
Is there meanwhile - almost a year after the last post - any news on this?
Thanks
woste

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Not really, the basic problem is still true. The UI would significantly more complicated and this would require huge changes.

The question is, does this problem justifies that the UI gets more complicated? My opinion is, that it is not. Especially as this would influence the basic function of planning a route. If we would be talking about an advanced feature, this might be different.

It’s OK if only power users use some of the advanced features. The basic features should be usable as easy as possible without requiring special training :slight_smile:.

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Or as a simpler alternative…

Are some avoidances really needed in non-curvy routes?

e.g. should “Avoid motorways” be active in the “Fastest” route?
(even if enabled for other route profiles)

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hi

Thanks for your reaction, but I’m afraid I don’t quite follow you there: the possibility to change the avoidances on the different route profiles is just what I need …
So eg avoid motorways inactive on fastest route and avoid motorways active on (extra) curvy. Or am I missing something here?

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Good afternoon,

For me the way to choose the type of route (the fastest, fastest and curved, all curves, …) is enough and also with the custom exceptions it works quite well.
Anyway after building the route it is better to check it to see if it is correct where it wants to take us and it is easy to fix and choose exactly where you want to go … or let the gps take you to it wherever you want and you just enjoy driving. :slight_smile:

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Do you mean to try to automate everything so much?

On the web you can create as many waypoints as you want to outline the path you want.
I think it is perfect as it works and I don’t think the other web/apps have as much chance of configuting as Kurviger. :slight_smile:

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I think there is a missunderstanding how Kurviger is working.
Kurviger does not have a thing like profiles
The curviness is just another option and has no connection to the avoidance settings.

e.g. “extra curvy” avoids motorways anyway, so no need to avoid them additionally.

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Also discussed here:

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This is correct. In theory this could be changed.

Yes, that could be one way to implement this. This will make using the route planning feature a lot more complicated though. And it will be harder for users to understand what is happening, I have commented on this a few times further up in this topic as well.

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Hi guys

Thanks for the reactions. :sunglasses:
FYI: after playing a bit with the avoidances, an acceptable solution for me is to set the Avoid motorways and the avoid main roads on 3-4. This way my segments are more or less what I want. Not 100% but close. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Liebe Kurviger Nutzer,

das ist mein erster Post in diesem Forum, daher zunächst eine kurze Vorstellung:

Mein Name ist Olaf, ich wohne in Berlin und fahre nach längerer Abstinenz seit vier Jahren wieder Motorrad. Seit zwei Jahren lasse ich mir von der Kurviger App helfen, schöne Routen im Berliner Umland zu finden – anfangs mit der kostenlosen App, inzwischen mit dem Kurviger Pro Abo.

Nun zu meinem Problem:

Ich möchte gerne die Optionen der verschiedenen Routingtypen nutzen, um das Routing genauer einzustellen. Die angepassten Routing-Optionen möchte ich dann nutzen, um sie einzelnen Abschnitten meiner Route zuzuweisen. Zum Beispiel möchte ich auf der “schnellsten Route” die Stadt verlassen, um dann im Umland meine Tour auf einer “kurvigen Route” fortzusetzen.

Ich stelle also die Optionen des Routingtyps “Schnellste Route” zum Beispiel so ein, dass die Option “Vermeide Schnellstraßen” deaktiviert ist. Schaue ich mir anschließend die Optionen des Routingtyps “Kurvige Route” an, dann stelle ich fest, dass dort die Option “Vermeide Schnellstraßen” ebenfalls deaktiviert wurde. Egal welche Option ich in einem bestimmten Routingtyp aktiviere oder deaktiviere, die Optionen werden genau so 1:1 in alle anderen Routingtypen übernommen. Dasselbe gilt für die einstellbare Stärke der Vermeidung.

Es sieht für mich so aus, als ließen sich die Routing-Optionen und die Stärke der Vermeidung überhaupt nicht einzeln für die verschiedenen Routingtypen einstellen. Das kann doch so nicht beabsichtigt sein. Liegt hier ein Programmfehler vor, oder habe ich einen Denkfehler?

Es wäre nett, wenn Ihr mir hier auf die Sprünge helfen könntet. Vielen Dank!
Olaf

P.S. Zu meiner Hardware: Samsung S10 Duo, Android Version 12

Dear Kurviger Users,

this is my first post in this forum, so let me please briefly introduce myself.

My name is Olaf. I am living in Berlin. After years of abstinence, I started riding motorcycle again about four years ago. For two years now, I use the Kurviger App to find nice routes around Berlin. Having used the free App in the beginning, I am now using the Kurviger Pro subscription.

Regarding my problem:

I would like to use the options of the different routing types to adjust the routing more precisely. I would then like to use the customized routing options to assign them to individual sections of my route. For example, I want to leave the city on the “fastest route” and then continue my tour in the surrounding countryside on a “twisty route”.

So I start to set the options of the routing type “Fastest Route” and deactivate e.g. the option “Avoid fast roads”. If I then take a look at the options of the routing type “Curvy Route”, I notice that the option “Avoid fast roads” has also been deactivated there. No matter which option I activate or deactivate in a specific routing type, the options are transferred one-by-one to all other routing types. The same is true for the adjustable strength of the avoidance.

It looks to me as if the routing options and the strength of avoidance cannot be set individually for the different routing types at all. I think this cannot be the intended behavior. Is there a program error, or am I on the wrong path?

It would be nice if you could help me out here. Thanks a lot!
Olaf

P.S. About the hardware I use: Samsung S10 Duo, Android Version 12

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Welcome to Kurviger!

(your post was moved into the existing topic)

Kurviger routing currently uses the avoid options on the entire route.

Please see the discussion above with some answers:

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Genau so ist es (momentan).
Ich vermeide Vermeidungen - die einzelnen Routingprofile differenzieren m. E. ausreichend genug. Aber natürlich ist das auch Ansichtssache - möge jeder mit seiner Vorgehensweise glücklich werden!

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