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Development is done by different people and the 2 platforms are independent of each other.

Here we can discuss app’s implementation. The website has its own separate feature topic:

Hallo,

auch ich fände es Prima, wenn ich die Wegpunknamen in Web-Planer eingeben kann. Genau das wollte ich gerade mit einigen Wegpunkten im Web-Planer machen.

Werden diese Namen dann auch in der GPX-Datei gespeichert?

Viele Grüße

Basti

You can use the new GPX (offline) format which supports waypoint names (until the server is updated).

Die Benennung der “wichtigen” Wegpunkte in kurviger-pro klappt prima! Sie werden sogar nach dem Export (.kurviger “offline” ) beim Re-Import von kurviger.de übernommen und bleiben in den meisten Fällen auch nach weiterer Bearbeitung der Route erhalten. Siehe https://kurv.gr/xnE6r
Beim Export mit (.gpx “offline”) - den ich nur zur Weitergabe an Mitfahrer benötige - fehlt mir noch etwas. Ich würde gerne auch hier zusätzliche Wegpunkte zur Vereinheitlichung der Strecke einfügen - geht das? DANKE!

Naming the “important” waypoints in kurviger-pro works great! They are even taken over after the export (.kurviger “offline”) when re-importing into kurviger.de and in most cases remain even after further processing of the route. see https://kurv.gr/xnE6r
When exporting with (.gpx “offline”) - which I only need to pass on to fellow riders - I still miss something. I would like to add additional waypoints to unify the route - is that possible? THANK YOU!
add_waypoints

Sorry - the link above doesn’t work correctly - just import the attached kurviger-file to see the names of some waypoints. Sharing the route seems to rename all waypoints …
20200415_143431.kurviger (23.9 KB)

That is not possible in GPX (offline) format, it exports the route unmodified.

The website will support waypoint names later:

Hello, thanks for adding the feature Waypoint-Names. It would also be nice to have the Waypoint-Names imported from .gpx files. Currently the waypoint names are exported to gpx but not imported.

If wpt elements in GPX file have filled their “name” tag then their names are imported too.

Or do you have some sample GPX that does not work?

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I simply exported a Route with the Kurviger App as gpx and imported the Route again. Waypoints-Names exist in the exported GPX-File, but when reimporting the Route specific Names are lost. Using 1.13.3 Beta

(please post also the export & import dialog details, so we can understand & reproduce)

When export waypoint names, must use Kurviger or GPX (offline) formats.

Probably you select “Route” instead of “Waypoints” when export & import a route?
I can add parsing of names also from the route rtept elements inside the GPX file.

Yes i did this as you said. Parsing names from the route rtept<> tags would be nice. Think about importing gpx routes from a different source with existing names. Nice work you did on the current Beta.

It will be available in next version.

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Hi,
I just played a little bit with the Waypoint Names, I like it, thanks for the implementation.
And I appreciate especially one feature: I use the search function e.g. searching a mountain pass.
After long tap on the search marker and selecting “Add as waypoint” , the name of the mountain pass is copied to waypoint automatically - good job!
Thanks and regards
Markus

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Hi,

following a hint from devemux in an other tread I did some tries with the waypoint list and waypoint names:

If I change a via point with a given (and displayed) name to shaping point, the name is not displayed any more but just the text “shaping point”.

Also the “edit name” button is disabled.

Nevertheless the prevously given name is stored (I appreciate that!): If I export a .kurviger file, I can still see the name of the shaping point in it, if I switch back that point to via point, the given name is displayed again - that’s good!

I’d like to use the name information also for shaping points to identify them (e.g. in waypoint list or during planning on the map), because a “talking name” can be given to identify that shaping point, thats easier to handle than keeping numbers in mind.

Therefore I propose:

  • display in waypoint list also the given name of shaing points, if available (you can see that it is a shaping point by the icon)
  • enable also “edit name” button for shaping points
  • display shaping point name also in the bubble on the map after long press on the marker (you can see that it is a shaping point by the marker icon)
  • perhaps it would be useful to have different functions dependant on where I tap on a waypoint in the list, example: Tapping on the icon on the left toggles via <-> shaping, tapping on the name opens edit field to change name, tapping on a 3rd column opens context menu, tapping on a 4th column selects waypoint to shift it up/down via arrow buttons below list. Thats just an idea, I can not judge the effort to implement such an interface

Remark: In other functions as navigation etc. the shaping point name should be handled as before ( = no hint, name ignored ?).

Regards

Markus

More important is what is common, i.e. the rule for shaping points.
(not how we like them to be)

So how all other routing services handle shaping point names?
Any other have them? Because we should remain compatible.

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Hi,

I agree, of course.

BaseCamp is just a planning tool (for PC or MAC) - so there will be no alerts anywhere, of course, this is dependant on the used Garmin device used to drive the route afterwards.

But I can confirm the rules you mentioned for ShapingPoints for Garmin devices I know: No alert, no arrival time. But the name of ShapingPoints can be displayed / changed (in BasceCamp and on Navi).

This is consistent to the behaviour of my BMW Navigator 5 (Garmin), and probably will be the same for BMW Navigator 6, Garmin Zumo 590/595 and other Garmin Devices which can distinguish between ViaPoints and ShapingPoints.

There are two further important differences between ViaPoints and ShapingPoints @ Garmin devices:

  • Starting a route you can choose a ViaPoint where to enter the route (ShapngPoints not shown in selection list)
  • ViaPoints have to be passed during Navigation, in case of a detour the device tries to lead you back to the ViaPoint you did not reach - in that case you have to skip that ViaPoint manually
  • the “skip waypoint” function just skips the next ViaPoint on the route, including all ShapingPoints before thatViapoint.
    For BMW N5: result of skip: next point in route will be 1st point after skipped ViaPoint (can be a ShapingPoint or a ViaPoint).

Regards

Markus

Thanks for the details, those are about Garmin universe.

We should examine also how shaping points are handled in Google Maps, HERE WeGo, etc.
(and used in their popular navigators)

Do they use / need shaping point names?

In another topic was asked to give user-defined names to shaping points and additional info to shaping points. Out of the response is following quote:

Regarding my statement I was asked to publish this in an appropriate topic. Following my statement to names and additional info of shaping points:

That was my opinion for a long time, too.

But in the last weeks I changed my mind a little bit. All other popular routers don’t use names for shaping points. But perhaps for Kurviger it could be an improvement, previously when mainly working with website and app.

Comparison of some features for Waypoints Via Point and Shaping Point:

Waypoint: Via Point (VP) Shaping Point (Kurviger) (SP) Shaping Point (popular)
Routing Preference: same as SP same as VP ?
Visible Waypoint Number: Yes Yes no (or seldom)
In Waypoint list: Yes Yes no (or seldom)
Symbol in Route: Numbered Flag Numbered Circle (Small Flag) not defined
(Turn) Instructions: Yes No ?
Default Name: No. + Viapoint No. + Shapingpoint ?
Nameable: Yes (No) New: Optional No
Info Distance: Yes (No) New: Optional No
Info Time: Yes (No) New: Optional No

That’s a rough overview and comparison. Perhaps some important things are not mentioned.
Why this table? To explain my mindchange.
At some features of the shaping points there are currently little differences between Kurviger and popular routers. And this is an advantage for Kurviger! And I like what you made! THANK YOU very much!
And however shaping points are for a certain route segment they don’t need exact coordinates but to refer to the route segment coordinates are taken.
Some users want optional names and data of distance and/or time for the setted shaping points. I couldn’t understand that for a certain time. For some reasons this seems senseless. But they have reasons to want this. However different to popular routers these can be a gain for Kurviger and the users.
When adding these features the currently advantages of the shaping points are not lost.

In the meantime I would be happy if these wishes could be fulfilled.

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Implemented in Kurviger 1.13.13.

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