New auto zoom feature

  1. That is exactly what I do believe.

  2. My irritation mentioned above perhaps comes from the double meaning of “auto / -matic” in Kurviger, what results logically in these two options “automatic auto zoom” and “non automatic auto zoom”, what is indeed logical (for us people more familiar with algothmic thinking), but does not SOUND intuitively meaningful.

  3. So perhaps it is indeed a good idea to think about these both designations once again to distinguish between
    (a) "going back to the center of the navigation screen automatically"
    and
    (b) “choosing a matching scale of zooming automatically”.

Mod-Mode:
Just did - have a look above - hope it will not cause irritations!

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Thanks @Uli_LH seems ok!

Hi there,

I have one big issue with the automatic zoom level which I try to explain.
When I arrive on roundabout, the zoom level increase automatically at a level which is almost fine for me. So perfect.
As soon as I enter the roundabout, the zoom level decrease automatically to show the sort of general itinerary and then I’m screwed: shall I take the first or second exit? It is just really too small on the screen to see which one I shall take, especially when then 2 exits are quite near from each other.
Same thing happens as well on road junction where there road split itself like a fork: one on the right, one straight ahead, one slightly on the left.
As soon as I’m on the juction, the zoom decrease and it’s then not clear at all if I have to take the one straight ahead or the one slightly on the left.
And these 2 kind of situations happened way too often on my last trip.

So I would suggest that the zoom decrease only happens once one have actually moved out of the juction or the roundabout instead of just once arrived at the junction or roundabout.

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Inspecting the route geometry with GPS jumping around is usually not very accurate.

An alternate way is auto zoom based on speed: slower > zoom in, faster > zoom out.

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No need to be accurate here.
It would be sufficient if distance to junction >50m before zooming out.

Speed as an additional criteria to distance may work.
Zoom level based only on speed is IMO not a wise idea.
I can easily imagine junctions which can (safely) be passed with 80Km/h or more.
(e.g. turn slightly right)

Manfred

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I also would absolutely prefer if the zoom level would be adjusted back to a zoomed out view a little bit later (50m or so should be enough). Sometimes the view zooms out to fast be able to identifiy your current position on the street (which means: at a junction or in a circle). No rocket science needed here (like zooming out depending on the route geometry), just leave the zoomed in view a little bit longer.

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My preference would be the opposite: driving slower --> zoom out for better orientation where to go… driving faster --> zoom in for better view the curvature of the next 3 curves. Would be nice to make this optional by a preference setting, so that everyone finds its best preference.

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During my last tour using the Kurviger app this behaviour was again confirmed to be inconvenient: I was in a larger circle when the view suddently zoomed out. No chance to see what’s the correct exit (and a shame if you don’t remember what the instruction said which number of exit you should take).

The view should definitely be zoomed out later (and maybe not instantly but in a few steps).

That and many other features come with next version, just around the corner. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Sounds good!! :+1:t4:

Kurviger 1.1.19 is released with several Auto zoom enhancements!

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Dynamic Auto Zoom (how ME I would call it now to avoid the "automatic Auto Zoom" irritation of terms) is one of the most important features for cruising, in my view.

So let’s go ahead to argue about this feature, if you don’t mind.

A Navigation mode

Question: To which parameter is dynamic Autozoom linked?

It could be, for example,

  • distance to next instruction point,
  • speed,
  • curvyness,
  • building situation (cities or overland).

Following recent observations, dynamic auto zoom is directly correlated to "DISTANCE to next instruction point" - is that correct?

Although it already works well - and just to continue the discussion - could SPEED not be an even better parameter, because speed reflects a combination of ALL the parameters above?

B Following mode

In every case - DISTANCE would not work with the pure following, non navigation mode, because there are no instrution points.

But, as already mentioned above by others, a Dynamic Auto Zoom would be a great feature also for this mode, for example to be able to forsee the street running or buildings for security reasons.

So, at least in case B you need another parameter, and again SPEED could be a good choice, I believe.

C Conclusion

Doesn’t it then make sense to choose SPEED in both modi as parameter for Dynamic Auto Zoom?

Some technical and non-notes:

  • There isn’t any dynamic or fixed distinction with current options.
    Just set auto zoom on / off and select your min / max zoom levels.
    Navigation will play seamlessly between them.

  • Already mentioned above that auto zoom currently works with next turn instruction (when min ≠ max).

  • There are no immediate plans to transform Follow mode to Navigation.
    Having a route can navigate. Follow remains a very simple alternative.

  • Speed certainly remains on our radar for future enhancements.

  • Don’t think that offline routing automagically solves all world problems.
    When desktop waits routing to complete, mobiles won’t ever be faster.
    CPU on that case will work overtime too, consuming battery as always.

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I am actually not sure. I think speed is an important parameter and could in some way influence the zoom.

With Kurviger you often have to turn on very small roads in the middle of nowhere. If the zoom depends on speed, you would be cruising for example with 100km/h, this results in a pretty low zooom that offers a lot of overview to see the next couple of curves etc. Now there is a turn coming up.

When using the distance to next instruction, the display will zoom in and show you details about the turn. If you are 200m away from the turn, you can already see all relevant details.

When using speed, 200m before the turn you might be still going around 100, maybe you already slowed down a bit. But you wouldn’t see all relevant details for your turn, because you need to slow down first. I think it should be the other way around, see details about the turn and then slow down.

But speed could be an important factor for the zoom. For example, when slowing down and there is no turn close, the app could zoom in to show details. When speed reaches 0, the app could start to slowly zoom out again to show overview.

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Don’t agree: Me I often use Following Mode in cases I don’t use navigation, for example when I am very familiar with the roads used, that is mostly the case in my home region.

But although then I use Kurviger in Following Mode to have this overview of street running, as other users already mentioned as well.

Why then do not even improve this not unimportant feature by an (optional) Dynamic Auto Zoom in Following Mode? Could be an unmique selling point particularly for bikers.

Follow mode is not aware of any routing, not its job, that is intended for navigation.
In follow mode can introduce only other GPS variables, like speed in a common way: fast > zoom out, slow > zoom in.

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That exactly was my suggestion.

Want to to pick this up again and continue to argue:

Had a (very nice, thx to Kurviger) trip on last Sunday and tested several settings for min and max dynamic auto zoom.

Again I came to the observation - and following suggestion:

When the dynamic zoom uses distance to next instruction point, I am not completely satisfied, because, when I have for example 5 km to the next instruction point, dynamic auto zoom chooses my minimum zoom factor, but

  • on a straight section of the road which I take with about 100 km/h I would like a low zoom in to have an overview over a more far section of this road,
  • when I move on a more curvy road but with a good view (flat landscape, no buildings, woods, hills etc) which I take with, let’s say, 80 km/h, i would prefer a medium zoom,
  • but when this road or a another section of it is really curvy and the road is not clear and I slow down to 50 km/h I would like to have a strong zoom in to see how the curves are continued.

How could this be realized? The navigation technology by itself can’t easily realize that.

But the rider’s (resp. driver’s) intelligence does - by choosing an appropriate speed, adapted to all these cirumstances (mostly … :sweat_smile:)!

So why don’t use this intelligence to control the dynamic zoom?!

To reply to Robin’s (@boldtrn) argument:

If you have a distance of 200 m to the next turn “on very small roads in the middle of nowhere”; and have still a speed of 100 km/h (!), I guess you KNOW this turning point - and then indeed you don’t need zooming in early.

But in the most cases in such a situation, if the road is unknown to you, you WILL SLOW DOWN, and the dynamic zoom will zoom in accordingly - and this makes sense.

The factor of the correlation beween velocity and zoom may then indeed be an object of another discussion and experiences (or an option to be chosen itself by the user) - but this correlation basically seems to me an intelligent feature and an important unique selling point for Kurviger (in navigation mode as well as in following mode).

(… perhaps forgotten to stress again, what is my issue: :smile:)

… an that are the reasons, why I still would like to argue in favor of “controlling dynamic auto zoom by SPEED” instead of “distance to next turning instruction”.