After an intensive planning of a 14 day trip, I wanted to clean-up the folder and move any route variants that will not be used in another folder. Doing this, I noticed that an improvement would be more than welcome here.
To move one single route from folder “Tours” to “Archive”, you have to do following steps:
scroll, point and click on the folder “Tours” to open it
scroll, point and click on the tour you want to move to open the details
point and click to “…” to open the menu
point and click to “Move to a different folder”
point and click to open the list of folders
scroll, point and click to select the “Archive” folder
point and click to “OK”
point and click “<-” to go back to the list of routes (only to find out that you are now in folder “Archive”)
point and “<-” to go back to the list of folders, where you can start from step one to move the next route…
That is 9 “point and click” selections (3 of them including scrolling) that you have to make in order to move one route. Now imagine wanting to move 10 routes from one folder to the other - it takes 90 point and click selections for such a simple operation - it did get me agitated a bit…
How to improve things?
Bronze any effort to reduce the number of point and clicks would be welcome. Well any kind of batch movement that would allow selecting multiple routes and moving them to the same folder would be more than welcome. First, in the list of routes, the menu for each route could include the “Move to another folder” which would merge the steps 2-3-4 into two steps (open menu and select command). Step 5 could be made obsolete by remembering the last used folder for moving routes instead of having to select it every time. Step 8 could be also skipped by teleporting you directly to the list of routes, rather than staying in the view with “Load Route” button. This would be especially logical if you selected the “Move” command from the list of routes. This would reduce the effort by 33%.
Silver Any kind of batch processing by selecting multiple routes and moving them all at once would be a major improvement.
Gold Adding ability to use user specific external cloud (like google drive) with proper file management would be an ultimate goal for me, but for this there is a separate topic, I think.
Yes, thanks for bringing this up. We do have this on our todo list, in general more bulk operations to make working with the Kurviger Cloud easier and faster.
I am trying to build a library of tour routes that I can chain together later on and plan to sort them by country so there are not to many tours in one folder. And to only display tours (using overlay) in a country. Or should I just create a folder for each country? Hmm, that would not work well with some countries like the USA.
That would be my recomendation, you could split the US into multiple folders or something like that.
While I agree, subfolders would be nice, I am not really convinced we should do it. I think this would be something only very few users / user cases would require and for everyone else this would just be in the way and make things more complicated (also for us maintaining it ). And for most of these use cases, creating multiple folders is just alright.
@boldtrn what does the statistics say about the number of saved routes and folders per user? What number of folders on one level becomes difficult to manage?
I have currently 10 folders with 11 routes on average in each folder and have been using the app for less than a year now. As I mentioned in another post, already this amount of data becomes very time consuming to manage - moving routes in another folder is not fun at all. As my collection continues to grow, I think I will be crying louder for having either an external cloud storage connected with Kurviger or almost full featured file management on Kurviger internal cloud. Not to mention people that already have bigger collections than I do.
I think this is an important decision for the success of the app and should be carefully elaborated by the Kurviger developers (which btw did a great job with the app so far).
With all necessary respect - Kurviger is a navigation app and no file explorer. I personally use the app as of beginning of K3 and had used K2 before, but I never got to the point you are asking for. Crucial stuff is that the app works during navigation flawless and as simple as possible. If you are looking for a solution that allows massive file management I suggest you solve this with a second app, e. g. total commander or something similar.
Kurviger is multi-purpose app, and I primarely use it for route planning and trip preparation. Navigation is for me a secondary usage, for this Garmin, TomTom, Google Maps & Co. have a couple of years more user feedback and development experience.
I use it for preparing day trips and multiple day journeys. For a 10 day trip, I would have some 20-25 different routes (including variants). I would like to keep them in Kurviger and to be easy manageable. For sure I could export everything on a hard drive or in some other place, but it would be a waste of time. If Kurviger does not intend to provide the infrastructure to organize and manage larger number of tours, then at least an efficient way of exporting a whole folder quickly would be a fair solution to offer.
If so I suggest you ask TomTom, Google Maps or Garmin administrators to provide a suitable file management solution for you
So this is a very individual usage of the app, that might only be valid in your specific use case. I personally also plan routes with larger groups (up to 50 riders=10 touguides to be supplied with the actual route) for a week of biking but I focus on each day as there always could be interferences unforseeable.
In a nutshell: you cannot have always a 100% fallback-solution, in case of an unexpected incident you must rely on your own (and the other tourguides’) creativity. Your strategy even does not work when sharing the routes upfront as you would have to share the new variant with each tourguide. I do not want to stress this in case of an accident or a breakdown of a bike during the ride - I hope you got my point. Might be worth to study in detail the area you are going to travel instead of focussing on file management.
Maybe my english is not that good, but how shall I understand this request from t00thl355?
I hope the the Kurviger team will have an eye on this, but I would not start to blame if it is not the highest priority.
@hellsguenni thanks for explaing the way you work, I am always happy to learn from experienced tour guides. Maybe there is a topic here for “user stories”, that could be used to exchange different ways of planing independent of the app. It would be interesting to learn how people organize and archive their planned routes including how to share and keep everyone up-to-date.
Noone is blaming anyone here, I am just trying to express my needs as a user and propose a desired solution in a respectfull manner. I like Kurviger, would like to keep using it and contribute to making it better.
Quick update, we just updated the Kurviger website to allow bulk move and delete operations in the Kurviger cloud, this change will be part of the next app version as well. Please let us know if this works for you or if something is not working / missing.
First, kudos to the team for making this feature available.
I did a quick check ro see how it works, but the moving action did not complete for a very long time. Then I selected another folder and got the following error message:
Maybe there is an interference with overlays?
EDIT: it is definitely interference with overlays. I tried to move two routes from a folder that was defined as an overlay. The move command would not complete and I could not cancel the operation. I could select another folder (during the “move” command was still running, which should not be possible) and then the above error appeared.
When I deleted the folder from the list of overlays, the “move” executed as expected.
Test for routes:
I can confirm (@t00thl355), that the the clock is turning and turning, if either source folder, target folder or both are used as an overlay. But I did not get this huge error messages.
When I cancel for example with clicking here …
… I get this message:
When I click here to close the multiple selection, my expection would be that the selected items are nor selected anymore. But when I switch multiple selection “on” again, the previously marked items show still as selected, what might be lead to unwanted operations.
Thanks for reporting this issue, the issue should be resolved now, please let us know if you find anything else that is not working as expected, as this was a big change it is possible that we missed a minor thing here or there.
Tested Routes with Overlays - looks fine for me. Same for favorites.
My preference would be to remove the flagged items, when Multiple selection is switched off (as I mentioned above).
From my view, the date and timestamp should not be changed, when a route or favorite is just moved. This way it looks like a recent added route or favorite. I hope this is technically possible.
). And for most of these use cases, creating multiple folders is just alright.
