Ignore seasonal closures (e.g. Mountain passes)

In the alps, a lot of the Mountain passes have a seasonal closures from e.g. November to Mai. These closures are fixed in the OSM raw data. Currently (end of march) it is for example to plan a route passing the “Col de la Cayolle” in the french alps (-> Link).

Therefore, I would like to suggest to add a function, which ignores seasonal closures or maybe also all temporarily closures in order to be able to plan in the winter time.

Tanks
Canario

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Probably mean the “Show potentially closed roads” experimental feature in website advanced options?

Thank you for your reply. I know this graphical feature, but it doesn’t influence the routing itself.

Canario

Kannst Du bitte eine Link von der Route einstellen? Vielleicht stimmen die OSM-Daten nicht.

Can you please add a link from the route? Maybe the OSM data is not correct.

Das Problem hat m. E. nichts mit dem Col de la Cayolle zu tun. Der “Fehler” liegt 7 km weiter südlich. Da wurde von irgendjemandem eine Schranke eingebaut - ob das stimmt kann nur vor Ort geklärt werden.
In my opinion, the problem has nothing to do with Col de la Cayolle. The “fault” is 7 km further south. Someone installed a barrier there - whether this is true can only be clarified on site.
OSM:
2020-03-28 14_20_18-OpenStreetMap
the kurviger-route: https://kurv.gr/vJBSx

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Hi,
Link is given by canario - on my tablet link works …
I also would appreciate a feature “Ignore seasonal closures (e.g. Mountain passes)” - it would give the possibility to plan routes for summer now.

Regards Markus

Thank you very much for this information. I had a closer look at this location and it seems that not the barrier itself creates the problem, but the route segment some meters in front of the barrier. This segment has a conditional acces from december to april. In other words with this route segment (in reality the barrier) starts the seasonal closure.

Canario

@rumbrummer

Danke Link habe ich gefunden. Die Funktion die Du Dir wünschst ist schon vorhanden Website: Conditional restrictions. Sollte kurviger trotzdem nicht lang routen liegt in den meisten Fällen ein Problem mit den OSM-Daten vor https://docs.kurviger.de/de/web/faq/incorrect_routes .

@rumbrummer

Thanks Link I have found. The function you want to use is already available Website: Conditional restrictions. If curvy but still not long route is in most cases a problem with the OSM data before https://docs.kurviger.de/de/web/faq/incorrect_routes .

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Thank you @luckytown. If I got it right, then I know this graphical feature, but it doesn’t influence the routing itself. It shows potential conditional restrictions, but this doesn’t help/support to plan the route during this period of closure.

Canario

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@Canario richtig die Funktion zeigt an das der Weg zu bestimmten Zeiten gesperrt ist. In Ihrem Fall denke ich das @zaphod_42 recht hat. Es liegt an der Schranke " Barrieren

Kurviger fährt durch Barrieren wie z.B. ​gate ​ oder ​lift_gate ​, falls das Tag access=yes vorhanden ist. Falls nicht geht Kurviger standardmäßig davon aus, dass diese Barriere nicht durchfahrbar ist. Kurviger beachtet hierbei ​access ,​ ​motorcycle ,​ ​motor_vehicle und ​vehicle ​. Falls eine Barriere also z.B. für Fahrzeuge befahrbar ist, jedoch nicht für Pferde, dann solltest du anstatt dem Allgemeinen access=yes lieber vehicle=yes eintragen.

Diese Barrieren lassen sich sehr einfach mit diesem Overpass Query finden." https://docs.kurviger.de/de/web/faq/incorrect_routes

correct the function indicates that the path is blocked at certain times. In your case I think @zaphod_42 is right. It is because of the barrier " Barriers

Kurviger drives through barriers such as ‘gate’ or ‘lift_gate’, if the tag ‘access=yes’ is present. If not, Kurviger assumes by default that this barrier is not passable. Kurviger considers access , motorcycle , motor_vehicle and vehicle . If a barrier is passable for vehicles but not for horses, then you should enter vehicle=yes instead of the general access=yes.

These barriers can be found very easily with this Overpass Query." https://docs.kurviger.de/de/web/faq/incorrect_routes

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Hi,
thanks to Canario, zaphod_72 and luckytown.
I fully agree - blocking point seems not to be the pass “Cayolle” itself, but the barrier zaphod_72 mentioned.

Hallo,
danke an Canario, zaphod_72 und luckytown.
Ich stimme voll und ganz zu - der Sperrpunkt scheint nicht der Pass “Cayolle” selbst zu sein, sondern die von zaphod_72 erwähnte Barriere .

Ciao Markus

Thank you for this advice. This would mean, that we don’t have a seasonal closure, but a total closure. I guess it would be possible to give the barrier the same tag as the route segment has (“access:conditional”), but then there is still the routing problem in winter time.

Changing the tag to a general “access=yes” for e.g. vehicles wouldn’t be the right way.

Canario

@Canario

Wenn ich die FAQ, https://docs.kurviger.de/de/web/faq/incorrect_routes, richtig interpretiere müsste folgendes da stehen: ​access:​conditional=no @ (Nov-May) und vehicle=yes. Mehr steht noch unter https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Conditional_restrictions.

If I correctly interpret the FAQ, https://docs.kurviger.de/de/web/faq/incorrect_routes, the following should be there: access: conditional = no @ (Nov-May) and vehicle = yes. More is available at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Conditional_restrictions.

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Ich habe mich zum Col de la Cayolle nochmal belesen. Laut Wiki " Der Col de la Cayolle bildet zusammen mit dem Col des Champs und dem Col d’Allos eine beliebte Rundstrecke für Rennradfahrer.[1] Der Aufstieg von Barcelonnette ist mit speziellen Schildern für Radfahrer ausgestattet.". Ich interpretiere es so das nur Radfahrer da lang fahren dürfen, ist das richtig?
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I read up on Col de la Cayolle. According to the Wiki " The Col de la Cayolle together with the Col des Champs and the Col d’Allos forms a popular circuit for racing cyclists. [1]](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Col_de_la_Cayolle#cite_note-1) The ascent from Barcelonnette is equipped with special signs for cyclists.". I interpret it to mean that only cyclists are allowed to ride up there, is that correct?

In France, cycling is a kind of national sport. These signs emerge the latest, as soon as a stage of the Tour de France passed this passport/col. The signs serve the many hobby riders for a better orientation and power management. On some Cols they also have a marked route on the right side of the incline. Here a sample of the Col d’Izoard.:

In the alps maritimes I frequently experienced some passports closed for touristic cycling events on special days, but in general all the cols are open for motorcars/motorcycles.

Canario

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@Canario

Danke für die Erklärung. :slightly_smiling_face:
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Thanks for the explanation. :slightly_smiling_face:

If I try to route above Col de la Cayolle with Openstreemap it works fine:

Hallo Gerhard, auf OSM ist der Knoten: 800966299 vor 12 Tagen von Eifelstromer bearbeitet wurden. Kurviger benötigt ca. 1-2 Wochen für die entsprechenden Updates. Ich persönlich fände ich schön wenn Du entsprechende Routenbeispiele per Kurivger teilen könntest. Es ist oft sehr mühsam die Orte zu finden…
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Hello Gerhard, on OSM the node is: 800966299 12 days ago by Eifelstromer were processed. Kurviger needs about 1-2 weeks for the corresponding updates. Personally, I would like you to share route examples via Kurivger. It is often very difficult to find the places…

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Danke!
Sorry - ich dachte, dass es hilfreich sein könnte zu zeigen, dass es in openstreetmaps funktioniert.
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Thanks!
Sorry - I thought it might be helpful to show that it works in openstreetmaps.

Hallo Jürgen kein Problem, bei OSM kann ich oder ein Anderer nicht feststellen wo Kurviger “hängen” bleibt, in diesem Fall eine Schranke, deswegen meine Bitte wenn möglich ein Beispielroute über Kurviger zu teilen.
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Hello Jürgen no problem, at OSM I or someone else can’t find out where Kurviger “gets stuck”, in this case a barrier, therefore my request to share a sample route via Kurviger if possible.